The term socialist has been thrown around quite a bit in the past few years. Not since the cold war has the term garnered so much attention in the press and from politicians. But when you look at countries who actually have a socialist economic structure, you can see some similarities to the United States – but there are some really stark differences.
Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
- China
- Denmark
- Finland
- Netherlands
- Canada
- Sweden
- Norway
- Ireland
- New Zealand
- Belgium
Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many of the countries on this list are proof of that, such as Denmark and Finland. Even though both countries are more socialistic than America, the workforce remains stronger.
China
In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.
Denmark
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Amagertorv in Copenhagen, Denmark (image CC BY 2.0 by Furya via Wikimedia Commons)
Finland
Finland has one of the world’s best education systems, with no tuition fees and also giving free meals to their students. The literacy rate in Finland is 100 percent. Finland has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Like Denmark and other European countries, equality is considered one of the most important values in society. Whereas in the Netherlands, government control over the economy remains at a minimum, but a socialist welfare system remains. The lifestyle in the Netherlands is very egalitarian and organized, where even bosses do not discipline or treat their subordinates rudely.
Paasitorni by the Sea in Helsinki, Finland (Image CC BY-SA 3.0 by Kati Kosonen via Wikimedia Commons)
Canada
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Sweden
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.
Ireland
Ireland has arguably one of the best welfare systems in the world, with unemployment checks higher on average than Denmark or Switzerland’s average. Around 25 percent of Ireland’s GDP goes towards paying for the welfare system, as compared to 15 percent of America’ GDP towards America’s social support programs.
New Zealand
New Zealand may not be a socialist country, but the welfare system in the country is very wide ranging, offering support for housing, unemployment, health, child care, and education as well. Therefore, New Zealand has many of the characteristics of a socialist country, even while remaining officially free market.
The location of Hobbiton, as used in the Lord of the Rings films. Near Matamata in New Zealand (image CC BY 2.0 by Rob Chandler via Wikimedia Commons)
Belgium
Lastly, Belgium has most of the same social security benefits that New Zealand offers, including invalid and old age pensions. The welfare system causes much of the country’s budget deficit though, and so is considered by some to be a burden on society.
Het Plein at the Hague, Belgium (image: CC BY 2.0 by zoetnet via Wikimedia Commons)
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New Zealand? I thought NZ’s recent free-market reforms allowed far more foreign investment, and the World Bank in 2005 said New Zealand was the most business-friendly country in the world, just after Singapore. Or did you really mean “New Lealnd” 🙂
the most open free markets are in the most extensively socialzed countries. Graft and corruption is the true enemy of free markets, not governments doing their jobs- ensuring conditions which foster the well being of the people they govern- think Finland and Norway. Graft and corruption thrive in countries with no social satiety net and poor education opportunity. This creates a climate in which there can be no free market based on competition, and instead we see a market based on elevation of the most corrupt- think USA and its financial institutions.
Sorry Andrew but I don’t believe you understand the system of what a free market is. The free-market is exactly what it sounds like. Sure corruption definitely hurts the free markets system but most corruption is done through government. While corruption in the short run might hurt, in the long run it does not survive in a free market system. Example: the financial institutions/ Wall street in the USA like you mentioned.
Sorry Tyler, the reason that corruption is attributed to gov’t institutions is because they actually have to answer to the law set up by a social contract. In a power vacuum, and lawless world, there would technically be no corruption, because all ill-doings would be open to “interpretation”. Hence, 99 % of “free market” business corruption is passed off as “optimization”, “derivatives”, etc. Greed and corruption is institutionalized in the free market system.
Bravo, and very well said.
It’s pathetic to see how “well” a country is rated by their welfare system.
Actually the medieval origins of the free market were based on extensive regulation and protections for consumers, crafters, and sellers. It was considered a “free market” because these protections permitted the middle class to compete rather than letting the monied nobility and nouveau riche game the system for their own benefit. That was the only type of government influence it stymied; regulation and protections were integral to the free market.
You are crazy with this assumption!!!!!
Karl as in Marx. Me thought you had gone the way of the USSR amigo. Now let me guess, your socialist super powers who support the worlds police keeping missions and many of the truly needy from all over the world have got it going on eh? Maybe next time we will step aside and you can try your luck speaking German or Japanese or, perhaps Chinese or Russian.
No, y’all got it all over us and you are a typical libtard in that you have your lofty theoretical nonsense and too inept to understand reality. good luck with that.
You do realize that the more liberal countries are usually the best places to live right? Seriously look up some top ten lists
Did you know, the Americans got lost sailing to the pacific to fight the Japanese. Thought it was a relevent point to make.
doesn’t the US have the largest gdp and is extensively one of the largest contributors of innovation to the global market.
yes but how come the quality of life in Denmark is so much better than the US? Where do you spend all your money? Company bail outs and war? Your country is drowning in dept.
Yeah but they owe the PRC a cool $14,000,000,000,000 greenbacks. Thought that might be relevant too.
Debt: $18 trillion and counting.
There is no comparing the US to these small tiny countries. Our country is much to large to go this route. Can you imagine if your country were this size? The government trying to run it? Fortunately our founders realized this and allowed for the States to govern themselves.
I agree with Corey. Without the US, all of these smaller counties would be speaking Chinese or Russian right now. It’s easy for people to sit back and criticize the USA when they are in complete oblivion or denial as to the safety net that it provides all of the small countries of the world. Aside from China, none of the countries mentioned in this article even need a military force because of the built-in safety provided and funded largely by the US. If the US was to change from a capitalist economy to a socialist economy the balance of world military power would shift dramatically. Most of the countries in this article would have to fend for themselves and their perceived higher quality of living would have to be completely reevaluated.
New Zealand is included because they have one of the best systems in the world when caring for their people. Compared to the USA it can be considered socialized in many ways. It is not about free market it’s about how they are taking care of their people.
Perhaps someone can tell me why with the supposedly extensive social welfare systems in places such as Denmark and Sweden the people do not take advantage? Or do they and we just don’t hear about it. Is there not an entitlement attitude in these places?
How do you contrast this with the out of control entitlements in the US. Why isn’t the government in Sweden and Denmark buying votes with entitlements.
Can you even compare these places to the US. they have no real economy.
If they have “no economy”, but people are living sustainably & happily then what difference does it make? People have the idea that good economy = good life for everybody; in practice that is not the case. Although there is probably some correlation, and funny as it may sound, happiness goes beyond GDP.
greed
How our society will develop by the end of this century, the 21st century, is knowable. Not because my concept indicates it, but because logic dictates that it is the only way it will mature. The American society may well become a ‘third-world’ nation, in the meantime, but eventually, it will become what I visualize, as that is the only solution.
I use deductive reasoning, analytical thinking and the Socratic method as the way to find an answer to a question or to a problem.
Several problems, prevalent today in the American society, will be solved.
“Marriage” as an ‘institution’, will be obsolete. People will no longer use superstitious dogma to dictate their relationships. Nor will they permit governmental laws to authorize their social affairs.
People will simply live together. Should they want to codify their association, they may use an attorney to contract an Agreement.
Procreation will be medical. Egg and sperm banks will be utilized by the parties to select DNA genetic preferences in Petri dishes. Governmental departments will regulate and oversee procedures. Therefore, gestation and ‘birth’ regulations or superstitious dogmas will be unnecessary.
“Same-sex marriages”, “abortions”, “incest” will not be problematic, as they will not exist. Medically, mentally and sociologically, the society will be healthier and happier.
Most societies will be Socialistic. The American Republican Political party will obsolete. Most political debates will be scientific and sociological.
(Actually, there are a few places where it exists, today)
Many people reading this don’t fully appreciate that the small socialist economies of the world totally collapse if they also have to face the financial burden of defending themselves.
Ooooh hang on there a minute cuz. This current government keeps swing the axe and trims even further we’ll be 3rd world in no time…
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You do know those countries do not have really any type of military, very small. Socialism would never work in the United States . With almost no defense spending they can afford a large social service program
China has the largest standing army in the world
China is not killing people like US. They do not take part in any foolish wars either. It is better to spend tax payers’ money for the welfare of the people & education, medical care etc rather than wasting funds in wars & killing people in other countries.
China doesn’t kill people? They execute more people than the whole world combine, actively persecute and arrest buddhist monks and Uighurs. China is an oppressive state that is the reason that North Korea (the most oppressive country on earth) still exists today. At least the US is supporting protecting Europe such as the small Baltic States and is standing with the countries being bullied by China in the South China Sea (Philippines, Japan, and etc).
Get a clue.
China is not just socialist, but communist. If you think China is not out killing people in other countries, then you are delusional, because they soon will be. Why do you think they have the largest standing army. Or why they are now copying our stealth technology, or building up their nuclear weapons program?
And they have in the past gone into other countries, think Vietnam and Korea.
In answer to your sledgehammer insult about the U.S. entering other countries, I will remind you that they attacked us in OUR country first. Think 9-11-01. Are you saying those people deserved the death handed to them? Did you watch the people falling to their deaths trying to get away from the nightmare inferno inside?
The U.S. may not be perfect, but neither is any other country in the World.
I will also remind you that if the United States hadn’t gone into other countries to fight, Europe would now be nothing more than an extention of Nazi Germany.
How soon they forget.
agree
Interesting to read people’s comments from around the world, especially our Danish friends.
I feel Socialist Democracies can certainly work, but a lot of it depends on the nation’s psyche and size of population.
In Britain, a culture of laziness has been allowed to develop where people take ‘advantage’ of a welfare system set up to protect those ‘less fortunate’ than others. Couple this with free movement within the EU so now persons of a ‘lazy’ nature from around Europe can come and take advantage too. And some sure do, but please note I am well aware that many hard working EU members have also paid into the system.
Denmark’s population is under 6million, whereas England’s is over 60 million. The level of tax for Welfare would remain the same, but the problem of ‘free loaders’ becomes magnified and much clearer for the hard working people to see in a larger country. This creates a class divide which again is magnified due to the sheer size of each class.
Just wanted to tackle some of the misconceptions you’re perpetuating about Britain. Firstly, your claim that “…a culture of laziness has been allowed to develop where [free loaders] take ‘advantage’ of a welfare system…” That is simply untrue. 4 out 5 recipients come off Job Seeker’s Allowance (JSA) within sixth-months. Of the long-term JSA claimants (which accounts for just 16% of JSA claimants), the overwhelming majority have been judged by the DWP’s own standards to be unfit for work. While we might constantly see headlines and TV shows suggesting benefit fraud and dependency is rife, the statistics simply do not fit that narrative.
Secondly, “free movement within the EU so now persons of a ‘lazy’ nature from around Europe can come and take advantage too.” Again, this is factually wrong. On the whole, immigration net contributes to the British economy. You can then break this down between immigrants from within the EU (taking advantage of free movement) and non-EU immigration (that Britain can and does regulate). Going by the figures in Dustmann& Frattini’s Fiscal Effects of Immigration study (2013), EU immigration actually provides a greater net contribution in comparison to non-EU, selective immigration. Therefore, evidence would suggest the nature of persons from around Europe is anything but ‘lazy’.
Now, I agree that there are fundamental differences between the psyche and population size and shapes of Britain and countries like Denmark. However, that absolutely does not mean Socialist Democracies characterised by high welfare costs offset by high taxation cannot work. At best, it simply means the model we adopt would have to be adapted and tweaked- the principles, however, are sound.
Yeah regional confederacy is a burden to large economies, when ECOWAS was formed, Nigeria suffered from massive influx of immigrants seeking greener pastures, the Brits are becoming complacent but EU isn’t just the cause of it.
Good for you! Someone who actually has the guts to tell the truth about what happens when you have a true Welfare state, which is what Socialism really is.
100% agreed Andy. USA population currently stands at 325 mil. How many of those people need/want welfare and how many can actually pay? All good when u have 1 mil to pay for but a whole lot different when u have 50 mil.
Sorry, the U.S. has the largest and most well “Armed” standing army in the world. China has the largest population, but sticks and stones, knives and crones can’t compete with a population that is well armed to protect themselves. Do you understand why the current disrespected government worries about it’s people and tries so hard to break the 2nd amendment of our Constitution? That will never happen. Everyone can purchase and own a gun, that is still a fundamental right for law abiding citizens. Most homes own several guns and or rifles. Many Americans are licensed to carry guns hidden on their person. It takes a few hours of training and a comprehensive skill test to gain legal photographic documentation to carry a handgun almost anywhere. Most states offer reciprocal carry laws. We will not fear occupation, citizens will strongly support our military in the Homeland if need arises. We practice the art of shooting and can be discretionary with our aim. That is what freedom provides. Americans can pursue happiness and protect our homes as long as we abide laws that protect community values. Laws of local and state legislation (statutes), and federal laws that protect life and well-being. We have law breakers, like anywhere else in the world, there always have been and always will be criminals.
SandyH,
You’re either ‘taking the piss’, evil, or just plain delusional – where were all the good people with guns when the mass shooting happened in that Florida nightclub recently? Or that picture theatre where so many were killed? Or the hundreds of other mass shootings that have occurred in the recent past? I’ll tell you where, they were the ones doing the shooting. The ‘homeland’ is already under attack, you just need to open your eyes.
which country has got the largest sitting army in the world?
So spending billions on aggressive and useless wars in the Middle East is somehow more rational than spending money on health care and education? Many of those countries have mandatory military service… Others do spend lots on their armies they just don’t have the size of the US. I find it’s usually Americans that throw this argument around in order to justify things and make themselves feel better.
So what do you suggest? Let ISIS rule everywhere because Denmark’s army is too small to save Christians? I mean- sure Europe feels save with NATO- just don’t forget that NATO is heavily supported by USA.
ISIS only exists because the US destabilized the region with attacks on tyranical regimes. If the US just let the tyrant in Iraq rule, then there would be no ISIS. The US should have just isolated the Middle East and Arab nations so that terrorists couldn’t make their way to the US. It would save us from terrorists and spending on the military.
Ignoring the inaccuracies of this comment, it’s worth saying that despite most of these countries not having the same standard of military as America – they are probably comparable safe (safer?) – what does that say?
The reason that Denmark and the other socialist countries on this list are safe is because they belong to NATO. Guess who contributes the overwhelming resources to NATO? That’s right, the USA. Now that being said, I would be happy to have 1/3 of my tax dollars returned to me so that I don’t have to protect Europe from authoritarian dictatorships. Say thank you for protecting you and enjoy the guvment cheese.
What is says is that European nations have tighter immigration laws
wow china is amazing
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I wonder how reliable an author is who doesn’t even seem to know that The Hague is in the Netherlands, rather than Belgium.
I was going to write a similar comment!
I’m glad somebody else noticed
How about free health and medical care in Canada? 15% sales tax pays for that s how free is it???
Canadians, like other socialist leaning countries know that their social programs, such as health care, are not free. We pay for it with higher taxes. We have found it is well worth the extra taxation because we don’t end up losing our homes and everything we worked for if we do get sick and need medical care. We live longer, less stressed lives than our American neighbors and many of us often talk about their sinking debt ridden system with disbelief and horror.
Why do the left always propose to speak for all Canadians? If you must, at least mention the long wait for surgery (years for some surgeries) and the escalating costs that will become unsupportable over the next few years. You might also mention the insane wait for MRI’s and shortage of high tech equipment. Also mention how many people cannot find a doctor a family doctor.
Well Debbie, you can thank Obama for the stinking debt that we are under. You know. .. the man so many people around the world thought was going to be the Salvation of the U.S.? Guess those of us who really saw him for the inept liar that he is were right after all.
Nothing is free, of course. And most people understand that the term “free” means free from paying specific fees for specific services. Free healthcare means free from paying monthly premiums to a specific entity; free from the costs of healthcare services. I’d rather pay a predetermined tax re: healthcare than having to count on an insurance company to cover all aspects of a major, unexpected surgery and potentially dealing battle with them to cover what they promised would be covered, only to see my premiums skyrocket.
Free means paid-for-through-taxes. Those who worry more about their tax rate than the many benefits that they offer are simply focused on the wrong thing.
Many places are well within the.15% tax range and no healthcare hear so..,
It’s official, it’s ours now 🙂 Marc uit Vlaanderen.
perception is reality. forgive them father for they know not that they have sinned.
You forgot Brazil. This country is going to complete a full “cultural revolution” towards communization, after twelve years of “workers party” (PT) government.
Venezuela and Bolivia also are now communist (or nearly) countries.
NZ is a country despite claiming to follow free market capitalist ideology, has certain strong ideals situated squarely in Social Democracy. A large portion of the population still believe the state should provide for the people. As do I. That same portion of the populace believe that the current right wing government’s policies of privatization favour an elitist portion of the income generating cohorts while disadvantaging others. Thus, creating an ever widening gap between those who really need assistance, and those who by and large avoid paying their fair share of tax through loop holes created for them.
If the standard of what makes a good Socialist country is the quality of their welfare system, the US should be at the top of the list, considering that more than 46 milion are on food stamps! I find ithe idea of people being dependent on Government is a good thing to be counter intuitive. ! It seems to me the fewer people dependent on Government the better off they, and everyone else, are!
One might consider when monetary spending is quoted to take into consideration the differences in population size between the country. It might be best in such cases to limit such calculations to a percentage representation. As that might give a clearer picture of cost and expenditures.
Just a thought, but all of these “socialist” countries, with the exception of China and Canada, have populations less than 6 million. Canada about 35 mill, and China we know. For the people bashing the US, I wonder if the near 320 million population makes things any more difficult when it comes to entitlement and social unrest.
Please go move to one of these countries. I have been to many and none hold a torch to America. America has more opportunity, less poverty, more freedom, higher average salaries, lower cost of living. I have known many Canadians and 75% of them travel to the united states for healthcare. Keep dreaming you socialist scum! I will buy you and your families one way tickets to any country on the list. You just can’t come back.
Im from america and see things a bit different. While you probably have alot of cash, a good job, and live in a nicer part of town, this doesnt mean everybody is on the same yacht as you. You seem to think America is a giant suburban neighborhood with jobs for everyone. I have a degree along with many of my friends. We all owe somewhere over 50k for these degrees. Yet about 1 or 2 out of 10 found jobs in their fields out of college. All of us are smart capable young men who graduated with good gpa’s. I personally had to settle for a near minimum wage job where they convieniently keep you a half hour under full time as to not have to give benefits. Many of my degree holding friends are working jobs they could of held as high school drop outs. I went to the hospital earlier this year with stomach pains and stayed 1 night. I have healthcare but I still owe 2500 out of pocket to the hospital and 1000 to a gastroenterologist who spent 5 minutes with me telling me what I can and cant eat. I take care of my elderly grandmother which makes it near impossible to find a second job. Worked her whole life for the police department and retired with pension but after working the numbers five years of help from a stay at home nurse would force her out of her house and into 1 of those dreadful homes. My situation is that of most young adults in America. Something is very wrong with the things work here. I love this country and would fight to protect it if the need ever arose but our system is failing. Our wars have made the world a more unstable place and obamacare is a mess. Our institutions are robbing people of huge sums of money for the slim chance to get a career that pays enough to pay off their education. Im not saying socialism is the answer but we need somebody in power willing to tackle these issues and level the playing field.
“I spent $50K, 100K or what ever to earned a degree, yet I can’t find a job in that field.” We’ve heard that story a 1000 times. Then why did you choose that field? Did you not do your DD before you chose your major, to make sure there is a need for people in that field?
hey guy, you are missing the point. these aren’t daft drunkards who just don’t have the “feels” for working. these are intelligent people with degrees having to just about ask people whether or not they want cheese on that simply to make ends meet. banks borrow at 0.75% and yet students pay back at a rate of over 6% – then these mega corps find loopholes by cutting hours just enough to not allow for benefits. what it is, is slave labor disguised as a free market.
And for the record I am not on any type of welfare program Im living paycheck to paycheck. Im just making the point that parts of America have little oppurtunity. Its no longer about what you can do its who do you know. My place of employment (a small sporting goods store) recieved 70 applications this past month. Half young people looking for spending money, half older people who obviously cant find work. Even a few you could call elderly looking to get back into the work force to survive. Im sure many of these people hold degrees. This to me does not say oppurtunity.
USA is the best country in the world in many cases
What a funny post.
So, all the “top socialist countries” have a free market? Common. The only true socialist country on this list is China, which sux hard; the “stress free” lifestyle where people live in slums while there are over 60 million apartments empty? Their groth was an artificial keynesian growth and it’s crumbling now, as it always do.
Basically all the countries on this list, besides China, have, or had, very free economies (aka capitalism) and this is what made it possible for them to accumulate the wealth they used (sometimes wasted) on these socialist programs. Sweden was the 4th richest country in the world before the social democrats took over in the 50’s. Then they had no growth, untill they started leaning towards capitalism again back in the 90’s.
Notice countries like Sweden and Finland already have problems keeping their welfare, Sweden to the point of people calling ambulances and being told to take an aspirin, like a 11 yo girl who took a horse coil in her chest and died.
Norway fares better because they’re just 5 million people with a huge oil reserve. Sweden and Finland aren’t so lucky.
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Don’t know why they call universal healthcare a socialism. Then why do we have universal primary & secondary education? That’s socialism too. So is Social Security. These are just a good system that Government implements to keep minimum level of living. How it is fair that our tax money is going toward criminial’s healthcare where as small business owner cannot afford to go to a hospital.
I read that this guy could not get on an organ transplant list because he did not have enough deposit to be on the list when a prisoner got his organ just because he commited a crime and was in jail.
Then there was a smarter guy who “robbed” a jewelry store just so that he can get arrested since he didn’t have money for his transplant.
Eventually anyone who needs something will have to commit a crime just to see a doctor. When I was visiting Korea, which has universal healthcare, my son got sick so we went to a doctor who had much higher technological equipments than in the States only chaged around 7 bucks for examination & cleaned his earwax since we had no Korean insurance. People who had insurance were paying around 2-3 bucks per visit. Reason…administrative overhead. Meaning high and mighty people up there needs 100 thousands and millions of dollars in their pocket to buy their mercedes and porsches. Most doctors will not get affected universal or privatized insurance except for those who’re on the board or admin somewhere.
So people may say socialism or communism, but having universal healthcare run by government just make sense…if not, I’d say we take it away from the convicts and all the politician. Let politicians buy their own medical insurance out of their pocket, we know they can afford to.
It’s still socialism. Pure capitalism provides no support. If you’re poor you get sick and die.
false, the idea is socialist but most if not all of these country’s are defined as mixed economies, not socialist.
Dan tell me again which countries aren’t “Capitalist Countries”?
By definition, socialism means political AND economical power in the hands of the State, which can be measured in government interventions in the economy, to whatever degree. The more interventions, the more socialist a country is. Taxes are just one kind of intervention, and despite being bad, it’s still not as bad as regulations that protect those with better political conections. Taxes affect competition, but not as hard as other more direct regulations.
NZ, Australia, Canada, Switzerland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland all have very low government intervention, way less than in US. Sweden, Finland and Norway are just a little worse than US in these terms:
http://www.heritage.org/index/
Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, North Korea, China, Russia, Bolivia, these are the socialist countries. Here we have welfare, we have “job laws” (but no jobs), everything the socialists love.
So yeah, an article that put countries with very free economies as “socialists” is pure nonsense.
Dead right Brother.
Hi there Andrew. I agree with much of what you say my friend. You know if one were to have a look at that great document “the 1948 U N Bill of Human Rights” you would see some prominent capitalist countries like the US, Britain, and Belgium, to name a few, believe that universal healthcare is a paramount indication of a healthy functioning society. Pity the current NZ government fails to see it that way.
So, people don’t get sick often, but they need to eat everyday. So why not “universal foodcare” before the healthcare?
I don’t understand how you people think that paying for hospital, doctors and medicine is harder than paying for hospitals, doctors, medicine and a bunch of useless paperstampers bureaucrats to run it all.
In America, it seems, government giving anything to anyone is considered “socialism,” unless it’s a tax break for the rich or subsidies to business and agriculture conglomerates. The simpletons of conservative politics here don’t care about what works, really, they just don’t want “socialism.”
The truth is that the social and economic benefits of a policy that some may label “socialist” are of less interest than ideology and the disdain for anything some decide is socialist. When you realize this you begin to see how simplistic biases on government policy are becoming a threat to American well being and prosperity. It was the same attitude, more or less, that caused Herbert Hoover to reject more robust relief programs as the Great Depression unfolded.
How can you say that Social Security is a Social- based program? All of our lives we worked and paid into Social Security so that money was “earned” and supposed to be saved for our old age. S.S.I. is very different. People can get S.S.I. with out ever having paid into Social Security. It is still the working, tax payers who have made the money to make this possible.
Many die before collecting any of the money they paid into Social Security. It is a great program and it has been abused by our government.
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how can anyone compare these top 10 socialist countries,or any countries to the united states. the u.s.a is a melting pot of EVERYONE.! you can come here legally or illegally. and you get treated with the same rights as a natural born citizen. if socialism really works,then let’s bring back the great thinkers of the past,for they lay the foundations of true socialism, i.e stalin, lenin,trotski,marks,engles.there are more people in some of the states, alone, in the u.s.a then in some of the countries mentioned here. also,let’s not forget how many people were killed and tortured under,SOCIALISM. free health care is not free! somebody has to pay.!
I think you’re confusing socialism with communism. And yes “somebody has to pay” WE pay. They are called taxes and healthcare/education are the kind of things taxes are SUPPOSED to pay for. Instead it goes to paying off the federal reserve. Oh, and politicians salaries (who have free healthcare for life, btw.)
“Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.” Go to China and speak out about human rights and freedom of the press then tell me how less stressful and relaxed life is.
Agree!!
life in China…
you’ll need to worry the food you buy having terrible ingredient
Human right? no one own
You know, the whole article is flawed in so many ways, it is amazing that the writer did not do much homework and use better examples to support his/her idea.
Visited China last year. Assuming you don’t talk about human rights and such, it really is a sedentary place and not what people make it out as.
Did you go to Tibet? Did you go to Xinjiang?
If you stay in Shanghai you might miss some important things about China..
I was less stressed too when I was broke and Dad and Mom were paying for everything. So the key to living like a Chinese is to never leave home and let my parents take care of me for the rest of my life. Won’t have much stress but won’t have much of anything else either!!!
The problem is when some works hard to make money and has to pay a lot of it to the government compared to people who don’t work because they don’t have too and abuse the welfare system. I’m not saying they do in a socialist countrys, just it happens a lot where I’m from in the us. (Ex. Refusing to get married) also in the us taxes are used on less helpful things
Socialism is a step toward communism. Statism, Collectivism, Socialism is all destructive as it takes away the normal inclination for people to succeed and improve their lives. Dependence does not work. Look at the dependent class we have created in this country. We will not learn. The goal of our present administration is to increase the numbers of the dependent. Thus the open borders and lack of any monitoring of entitlement fraud. Look at the increase in numbers of those on welfare, food stamps and disability during the Obama administration. It is telling and an example of what happens when the government promotes entitlements.
You’re partially right. Dependence does not work; those in a society must uphold themselves, but you cannot use the U.S.A. as an example for decay of all governments that give out entitlement; Nordic countries, Canada, New Zealand. These countries have the most extensive welfare systems in the world, and as such have been voted happiest nations to live in, but the members of the respective nations carry their load. In the case of the U.S.A., dependence on the welfare system is an issue.
Yeah and these countries that have these great healthcare systems also ride the coat tales of other countries like the U.S. to protect them thereby not having to spend any money on defense. Parasite countries that hide the rich peoples money.
Obama is as bad as the Republican idiot, Corporation blowing, idiots that ruined this country. Take a look at how well more socialist countries are doing…
Oops, meant corporation blowing Republican idiots. Guess that’s what happens when people get their information from Fox News and bumper stickers
Should we forget how many people were tortured and killed by capitalist countries?
Dan could you possibly enlighten us and tell us how many?
Dan…
First, I’d like you to name ONE capitalist country.
Then, I’d like for you to explain (in detail) to me how the economic principles of free markets are responsible for human beings being “tortured and killed” by the “capitalist” (quasi socialist) US government…
The number of tortured and killed by free market countries is proportionate to the greed behind it – look at oil producing counties, as an example. The number of tortured and killed in the name of the free market is very high. Then look to our involvement in placing dictators all over the world – Iraq, Iran, and Nicaragua, to barely scratch the surface. In these places, by our hand and encouragement, death and violence reigned. History and an open mind are a doorway to truth beyond ideology. I officially invite you…
You are really really really dumb
Do you even know what socialism means? First thing first capitalism, socialism an communism are economic theories that were not fully incorporated in real life. They called Soviet Union ‘Communist” when in fact it wasn’t.. the idea was there but it led to corruption due to the fact that the full power was given to idiotic Stalin and not to the people as a whole. Now, dictatorship and communism are completely different terms. Soviet Union was under DICTATORSHIP and not under communism since this theory couldn’t be introduced to a society as a WHOLE. DO some readings on economic theories…
Thank you!!! God I hate these ignorant Americans. You’re the first person I’ve met who grasped this concept.
Lol!!! I am American and even I totally agree. 🙂 Thank you, that made me laugh so hard. This concept is so lost on the majority of Americans.
That’s better than being an “informed” yet willfully generalizing European idiot who can’t even tell the difference between the US and an all the continents in the entire Western Hemisphere. Good for you.
Socialism is a “mixed economy”. The government doesnt necessaryly control everything; the people make decisions as well. I think the U.S. may lean more towards Capitalism but it does have many factors of socialism. SO you cant just say that Socialism is “death”. No matter how you look at it, The U.S. is completely a mixed kind of economy even with another lable.
Idk if this person that wrote this has ever been to the USA because their is a lot of false statement. Socialist is a political viewpoint on economics that is the opposite of capitalism. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS COMMUNISM. china is communist AND NOT A MORE RELAXED PLACE THEN THE US. Communism is a whole separate topic. Their is no right or wrong between capitalism and socialism it is just left and right. Lastly this articles is biased…
false the definition of socialism is “a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” for example if you want to say get a 1080p computer monitor the decision would need to be approved.
Hey guys I wonder though, and at the risk of getting accosted here, if much of what we perceive to be Capitalism, Communism of Socialism isn’t just centre oriented governance. You know where politicians by votes through favourable policy making and “damn the torpedoes” I certainly believe NZ politics has leaned that way for sometime.
That’s not what the liberals in the US are striving for. What our progressive lefty loon politicians want is total control over the people, therefor they are more than happy to give, give, give, because human nature wants, want, wants what they can get, as much as they can get, with as little effort as possible. And the more they get, the more they want, until they become totally dependent on government for all their needs, giving the liberal nut jobs exactly what they want. Then when you have that kind of control, people become nothing more than sheeple who’ll do just about anything the government demands. What choice would they have?
The more entitlements handed out, the less productive people will become. The less incentive there is to pursue one’s dreams. The leftist lunatics in the US hate dreamers, they hate entrepreneurs, they hate ambition, except for their own of course. They hate anyone who can think for themselves. That’s why they hate we Christians so much. Socialism has grown more in the last ten years than all the previous years since we gained our independence, and it’s destroying America and the American dream. So much for socialism being a good thingfor America!!
It is capitalism with very little government overreach that made this country the greatest, most powerful country the world has ever known. And in just 7 short years our spineless leader has set us back 100 years. We are the laughing stock of the world with a clown as our commander in chief. We no longer enjoy the admiration and respect the world showed us for so many years.
I would much rather have a much smaller government with far less taxes so I could afford to buy my own Health insurance from any insurance company of my choice that will give me the best bang for my buck. Competition keeps prices down, not to mention it will weed out the fly by night companies that are more for screwing the customer rather than providing superior customer service and value. Leave the free market alone, especially small businesses that provide 66% of our jobs, and maintain more control over big corporations that do everything they can to rape the economy and the American people.
The governments job in my opinion should be #1 build a powerful military and Secure our borders. No one gets in illegally #2 police the people. #3 Keep all businesses honest, but do not over regulate or over tax them to where they can not grow. #4 Stay the hell out of the health care field, and let private insurance companies and hospitals compete. It’s a win, win for everyone. #5 And yes I believe we should give temporary help to those who fall on hard times through no fault of their own, but don’t make it easy. Any welfare should require so many hours of work every week, whether it’s some kind of community service or picking up trash on the side of the roads. No one gets a free ride. Look what happened in Maine when they required drug tests and 6 lousy hours of community service a week to remain eligible. More than half the people dropped off. #6 Maintain the infrastructure. Some of that could be taken care of by the welfare recipients. #7 Maintain a flat tax to pay for our government and nothing more. Stop giving our money away to other countries when we’re up to our eyeballs in dept. All low income families should be exempt form paying any taxes.
OK it’s 5:30 am and I haven’t even been to bed yet. So if I left anything out, that’s my excuse.
God Bless America, cause we really need it!!
These people you listed were communist, not socialist. There is difference, even if that difference is minor. In addition, the people killed under Stalin were not killed due to socialism, but rather because of the fact that Stalin was an evil man. You misspelled “Marx” by the way.
Think of the thousands killed, tortured and executed in the name of democracy, during the french revolution. Just because the USSR’s was opposed to America doesn’t mean they weren’t on the right track.
Soviets might have been on the right track? Read a history book (even the russian ones). Stalin and Lenin killed MILLIONS of their own people, destroyed the economy, built a war machine and then bankrupt the country to the point where many of the people were starving. The people learned that the rest of the free world was prospering and they were stuck back 40 years in time… This is why the wall was taken down and democracy accepted in Russia — not because of war.
Dont forget the thousands killed in the name of freedom in revolutioary France. Maybe the USSR was on the right track
first off, the taxes in denmark are not 70%
as some of my family members lives there.
I live in norway with my mother and father, we have high taxes and are a socialist nation, socialism and communism are TWO entirely different things. for example norway is socialist but we are far from communist’s and we don’t have crime at high rate, it is actually the lowest in the WORLD!
secondly
China is a communist state not a socialist nation.
No offense, but I think that you might have misread the Denmark listing. It says that Denmark has some of the highest taxes in the world. And that 70% of BUSINESSES have 50 employees or less.
Henrik is correct. China is not a socialist nation, it is politically communist and economically capitalist. Most people in the US who desire socialism don’t necessarily want America to become a socialist nation politically. We want to maintain democracy, but to use socialism in order to create a welfare state – like in Canada, Finland, and Denmark – while still embracing a free market economy.
This is so typical. “Oh, our taxes are not 70%”. Nope. They ARE 60%. Who wants to give a government more than half of their pay??? This is your argument for capitalism?? Your country is known for drugs and giving the government more than half of their money. You are mindless sheep and this is why the government allows you to be high all the time.
Our (Danish) taxes are 48.9% (and that includes moms (VAT)) … not 60/70.
We are not “known for drugs” (are you confusing us with the Dutch?)
If our system makes you think that we are sheep – well then i will happily Baah all day long, if it staves off most other systems in the world 🙂
Do look us up (Denmark), we are at the top of most lists of great things: Welfare, Economic freedom, Ease of doing business, Happiness etc etc.
Have a nice day 🙂
Yep I’ve been there. I will never visit again. Sorry you don’t even have 1/10 the opportunity as an American has. Yes we live for the most part without a net but ANYONE can become anything they are capable of. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to run a company in Denmark. BTW, what is stopping any country from coming in and killing all of you. Here’s your sign
Well, the fact that Denmark doesn’t go into other lands. Trying to force upon them, there economic theory’s. Should be a safety net against other country’s trying to o the same. Or how you phrased it my friend “Trying to kill you.”
The sad fact is that the all conquering, all powerful, all righteous America does what I have just stated. Including, killing innocent people in the in the name of freedom. I ask you, what is so free about that?
As an American I am ashamed to be associated with such cruel and unjustified actions. For we fund the true terror. Our politicians and media feed into our brains propaganda that only uneducated people would believe.
Unfortunately for America . Half the country is uneducated. We cut funds for a future to finance wars. Are Americans that naive or are they just stupid to believe that we have a self sustaining society to move forward?
So please stop opening your mouth and speaking as if you know what you are talking about. You live in a country where people feel entitled to what they have. Nobody is entitled or deserves anything.
What? Opportunities in the oil industry?
The issue is that these small countries that experiment with their socialist economy, have no defense against the rest of the world actually have nothing to defend.
Yes the US spends on military to defend ourselves. Perhaps we have something to defend. There was a time when we we would help others defend. Perhaps we should stop
Yes, we’re quite aware of your bahhh-ing considering your fantastic country could not even defend itself and capitulated and COOPERATED with the Nazis in WW2. INCLUDING fighting in the German army.
Or were you totally unaware of Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen who said that Denmark’s cooperation with Nazis was “morally unjustifiable”.
Alry, To you this is obviously personal, you can’t disprove any of his claims, instead you would talk about a 70 year old war no one else is talking about. Can’t handle the true of what our country has become? I see many Americans being the true sheep here
Yes and exactly what business is done in your country. How about you refuse to accept all imports from those awful capitalist countries where people are actually rewarded for “working” . See if you can survive in you little bubble
Wow, Susan, you are the epitome (bet you don’t know what that means) of the perception most of world has of an American.
This resembles some bulls#&% I have heard from biased media in the past. When the blind in America finally wake up it will probably be too late.
Russia isn’t actually that socialist anymore, they are autocratic, the Soviet Union fell in 1989 THEY were socialist, the russian federation is just autocratic, mean
European countries are SO much nicer to live in than America. Though ill agree the article on China is ‘bulls#&%’, I would have to say it is YOU who is blind
Hey,Where is the big boss Russia?
Not socialist. Though neither is China, really
Ben, if you’re an American living “ex-pat”‘, please stay wherever you are. If the US made the decision to stay out of all foreign affairs, the world would be begging us to help with every war, injustice, natural disaster, or international crime that occurred. If you are an American citizen, have the courage to renounce your. Itizenship so we can be rid of you.
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Guess we can add United States on there now. Since apparently we are almost there and our constitution means pretty much nothinganymore
Hahahahaha. Stupid people make me laugh.
That’s a very witty and insightful statement you made there. Nice to know that you’re the smart one.
wow dude….. you obviously have no idea AT ALL what your talking about….
What in our constitution is not being followed?
Freedom of the press, Right to free speech, Right to assemble, Right of privacy, Privilege against self-incrimination. That’s just a few I can think of that are relevant at the moment.
Though, you know, most of these incriminations against your constitution were put in place by the conservative President Bush.
Just saying
What? As if Obama’s doing anything better or different?
Did you know that Obama went on a vacation to Africa, that cost 2 MILLION dollars for accommodations alone? That’s 2 MILLION dollars, taken straight from the taxpayer’s money. Why should we pay for our President’s furlough? That money should be where it belongs, in each person’s paycheck, or in the actually USEFUL government programs.
George Bush is no conservative. Who told you he was conservative? Perhaps socially he could be considered right of center. Fiscally he and his dad are big government spending powerbrokers. So is Jeb. The Republican party is in the process of getting folks like this out.
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China is communist, not socialist am life is more relaxed? Really? Have you ever even been to china? The government control everything, no one owns property and most live in poverty making just enought to survive. The government pimps out people to greedy companies and pollution is horrible. Also last time I checked didn’t the USA save most of these countries listed from nazi germany? We may not be perfect but who do they cry to when someone is picking in them? The USA. And good or bad we are often more willing to help. One last thing, how is Greece and its socialist economy working out?
So is that why America is starting to bully Syberia, your latest failed attempt and also i get this weird feeling in my gut that America have been making excuses for war since 2000 to help out their debt issue. As war is the most profitable factor in the world still.
So yet here I am every day waiting for some news saying OMGWTF America declared war. As you guys are still the biggest economic bullies in the world, trying to dictate the movement of newly reformed countries left right and center. The first real failure your country faced was Iran in this regard when you realized they have plenty juicy oil that your government just had to capitalize for their own gain instead of a global gain.
My key is globalization of freedom of movement on a global level is what will actually make changes in how humanity as a whole run ourselves. All these walls and divides are just a dead end road to create hatred and complex corruptible ideas easily masked from society. I believe in transparency and also the ability for YOU to admit to your mistakes and then figure out a solution that more then one country can work on at a time without any hidden agenda’s to profiteer one country above another. America has the highest debt ceiling in the world and it is only growing, this makes for a desperate and volatile environment. As a country i am not surprised America is seeking ever more sly or direct ways to save themselves at the expense of many. It is the nature of it all. It is not right or wrong, but i’ll be damned hoping that your country chooses a social way to change the current problems, because both Dictatorship or Capitalist strategies will point at war. This includes leaving decisions to the reserve or federation, who only want to line their on pockets no matter which country we are talking about
Real smart utopian pipe dream. I think the last time I had one of those I was 12. Wake the hell up. How many countries in the history of the world have fought wars and not stolen the land and it’s valuables? HMMM……. The United States is the only one. What country actually made it possible for these countries to live so care free? wait wait well you know the answer. Eventually all socialist and communist countries fail because they run out of other peoples money and the incentive to strive to be more is lost.
Have you ever heard of the Philippines? Run by America from 1898 to just after WWII.
One word. Mexico. Dont be a hipocrite
Socialism, when done right, doesn’t ‘run on other people’s money’. Enough is taken so everyone can have the basics- food, shelter, sanitatio, clothing, education and healthcare. Then the harder you work to bring benefit to others, the more ‘luxuries’ you recieve.
“Enough is taken…” Really, from whom? And who decides from whom and how much?
But that’s the point! Everyone deserves the money they make! The government shouldn’t take a large percentage of your paycheck! I can understand if it goes to repairs and fixing debts, but for our hard-earned money to be sent to someone who sits on their ass all day, and collects welfare checks, is just wrong. Instead of welfare, there should be a JOB program to help people get JOBS instead of sitting around collecting checks with taxpayer’s money in them. If you need money, GO GET A JOB. I’m sure any place would hire you if they are desperate enough. And don’t even say a thing about disabled people, because I’ve seen PLENTY of disabled people with jobs, doing just fine.
Another thing, each person should get their own healthcare! Not some healthcare concocted from -yet again- taxpayer’s money. If you have a job, which aren’t really that hard to find, most jobs include basic healthcare. If not, then go buy some with the money you get with your job! Sheesh, some people just can’t grasp the simple concept of self-reliance.
No, the more benefits that are shelled-out to free-loaders, the less the hard-working citizens have in their pockets.
Right. And to those questioning “free-loaders” in a seemingly socialist nation, those that don’t work don’t deserve those welfare benefits, and they won’t have it.
War is very costly, as you can tell by the debt from the Iraq/Afghanistan war. The US is not bullying Syria, to take over land, they do not want them to kill their own people.
The world use to rely on the US to take care of the problems. We were called into WW II we did not just start the war. The same is true about every conflict since then. UN approval was received.
The problem with one world government is that ere are many countries that do believe in dictators and no rights of the people. People are not allowed to own property, and they determine education.
And how open is your country to having masses of people coming into your country illegally and staying. Yes you may travel but if someone comes to you country illegally to work and live. do they receive free education and healthcare?
The US HS millions coming each year illegally plus many legally.
If your country is so great, why do you not have all these people coming to your country?
Yes, I do not see the lines forming outside of any of the awesome countries listed.
This was written by some nutjob who was trying to make socialism seem wonderful. Who deems what is less stressful living? China less stressful than the USA? Is that a result of culture or government? The workers at Foxconn aren’t living stress free lives and the majority of China live in poverty by US standards. Heck, most of the world lives in poverty when compared to the USA.
Yes, according to USA standards not China’s standards!!!
Inequality and salary gaps is like a culture in most countries where there is an open economy. The monied people do not care about others.
Um…no. Not any more. Even back in they ‘Golden days’ of modern America there were Ghetoes
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This list is wrong, the writer obviously is confused between socialism and social-democracy.
agreed. Half of the stuff he said is not true.
Socialism is a self-government workers. Self-management!
The means of production are reguled by workers .
These are basic principles of Socialism.
So, there is no socialism in any country of the world. Even China, North Korea and Cuba aren’t real Socialists, cause workers dont control anything.
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Thanks for writing on this subject. It would be more helpful and illuminating, however, if you made a distinction between socialism and communism. That would explain a great deal of the difference, aside from language and culture, between China and the European socialist countries. Socialist countries do not need centralized control. The advantages of socialism for everyday working people are maintained by cultural mores and the laws created by people with such mores, not centralized control of commercial activities. China is a communist country.. and will become either capitalist or socialist, depending on how well the population understands and promotes such universal values.
or autocratic…
Doesn’t China also have a flag?
I’d have to ask what these nations’ defense expenditures are as part of their overall budget. While China has a large defense budget, their R&D relies mostly on stealing technology, not original R&D. Most of the others rely on US treaty involvements, such as NATO
Totally irrelevant to the story! do you want to hear the US is so good and the rest is so bad? You may pat yourself on your back if you want to.
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You must be kidding about Ireland. They have a far more conservative government very little in the way of universal healthcare. The UK, In particular Scotland is a far more socialist country that offers free healthcare, transportation for the elderly and free higher education.
I couldn’t believe it myself Steve…theres absolutely no way Ireland should be on this list at all ,and yes your comparison with the UK is spot on ,the UK is far more socialist than Ireland and that’s a fact.
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I think South Africa and other countries that are currently using the “Free Market” economy can learn a lot from these mentiont top 10 Socialistic countries in therms of education, healthy and other ways of promoting or strenghteening the economy.
This article contradicts itself.. The title is misleading.. It says “…10 Most Socialist Countries in the World”, and then it says, “the most socialistic.”
“Socialist” and “socialistic” are not the same things.
what abou the netherlands? i couldnt find any information about it on this website…
Idiot propaganda.
Its strange that in the US they confuse socialism (collective ownership of means of production) with the normal obligation of a civilized developed country to provide education, healthcare and welfare.
And yet, millions of Europeans immigrated here in the 20th century and made this the greatest economy in the history of the world within 50 years, operating under those very rules you find strange.
The reason Americans “confuse” socialism with the “normal obligations” you describe is because those two things go hand in hand. That’s why Left Wingers constantly harp on the injustices of their favorite villain in the world: free market capitalism.
This article only holds if your definition of socialism is “welfare state”, which is a ridiculous definition.
http://www.marxists.org/subject/china/peking-review/1975/PR1975-15a.htm
Thank you for the injection of sanity.
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Not a one of these countries, with the exception of China, is socialist.
Otherwise, how do you explain the alignment of the world during the Cold War? Hello?
Why would NATO align itself against Marxism if it were comprised of a majority of Marxist countries?
A welfare state isn’t socialism. Read some books for crying out loud. How much welfare do you think there was in Soviet Russia? In Maoist China?
The newly inaugurated King of the Netherlands in September 2013 heralded the decline of the welfare state in his country, referencing changing demographics and an aging population that will necessitate civil solutions to issues like retiree welfare.
This is an opening salvo in the decline of the welfare state in Europe. A system propped up largely by international Bernie Madoff style ponzi schemes and state oil revenues used to BUY POPULIST LOYALTY for ideologies that couldn’t possibly make such redistribution work under ordinary circumstances.
Socialism works great as long as you have the huge pot of money or credit available to finance it. But when the credit card runs out, you’re in trouble.
Exactly what happened with your super capitalist housing bubble wasn’t it? The credit cards ran out?
That’s not at all what happened…in fact, that’s not even what happens in any bubble. The housing bubble in America had its’ roots in social programs (state welfare programs) of the 90’s designed to make housing more affordable for poor people. It created a system where finance companies were giving loans to people who otherwise would not be considered loan-worthy. Naturally, over the next decade, the demand for housing skyrocketed, artificially inflating prices. Eventually, the market corrected itself, as any healthy and relatively free market would. House values plummeted back to normal, leaving tons of people owing way more than their house is worth…leading to inability to refinance, foreclosures, etc., aggravated by all those people who never really could afford the houses they bought under government programs anyway.
This is not at all similar to the figurative “credit card” (meaning government debt) that Jonathan was talking about. All governments need a positive cash flow to be sustainable in the long run, and pure socialism by nature squelches the drive for innovation and profits needed to make it happen. This is why social democracies are becoming so prevalent in the world.
Ugh, God, the Community Reinvestment act. I still to this very day cannot see why that idiot Jimmy Carter even signed that bill. It made it so that loan companies were forced to pay people loans for houses, even when they knew that those people would have no chance in Hell of paying them back. Something about “Everyone is entitles to a house” Well guess what? If you can’t pay for it, how are you entitled to have it? The world is built upon money. People don’t have to like it, but it’s true.
Hello world
I’m from South Africa
Now after apartheid ended and our future was looking bright we had the great injustice of being tempted by a loan from America during 1995, after accepting this great injustice America now had a hold on decisions we made on our economy. So the blueprint for our economic infrastructure bends viciously towards Americanism. Yes, Americanism, i said it and the way our country was inducted into the “free” world mirrors itself closely to an economic enslavement using the bottleneck strategy of injecting funds into an economy and then saying that the trickle-down effect will sustain great future growth, but yet any money that may potentially trickle down is absorbed into repaying the country in question (America) and also allowed for adverse corruptible methods to be implemented with this trickle-down “solution” we were forcefully given by the holiest of corruptible methods. Fiat Currency
Also, America has never been the greatest of fastest growing country in the history of the world. Those titles go the Egyptian Dynasties and the Mongols respectively
You are the most ignorant person i have ever met
Really? Have a look at what South Africa has paid back to America. Next to nothing. So I guess your great leader was an idiot. I’ll say this he was smarter than our currant President since you have a much better GDP. You have WAY to many labor laws to ever really succeed like America did. There is way to much redistribution of money instead of free market capitalism. This causes people to give up like my friend and come to America or somewhere else where all that hard work and education pays off.
The ‘Trickle down effect’ is a myth. You need socialistic policies, or else you end up with a state resembling Victorian London. Which was hell.
It’s not a myth. If you actually take a close look at the economy in the 80’s, (nicknamed the “era of conspicuous consumption”) Jobs were plentiful, and therefore wages were high. It was a booming economy that actually raised all wages, including those of the inner city.
There is a reason so many people revere Reagan. Times were good, credit was easy, morals were loose, optimism was high.
He’s right, you know
And how’s that new government working out for you?
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Please someone to tell me how many states they are and they were socialist and comunist 🙂
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What a load of uneducated pathetic dribble..
How many socialist states are there exactly???
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The picture of the Chinese Army is actually a picture of the military police of Bolivia. How do I know? I lived in Bolivia.
Just to point out the level of quality and effort put in this article
Yeah, this idiot says life is more relaxing in China, he obviously did not put a lot of effort into this article.
Yes, it is obvious that this idiot did not put enough effort into the article. Half of the stuff he said is not true. Especially about China being more relaxing to live in.
More relaxed than in the USA? Have you looked at censorship in China? The Buddhists in Tibet being killed, imprisoned, and censored? And you say it is more relaxed than in the USA? You know, China, the country that imprisons people for speaking out against the government on blogs? The country that is rated as an enemy of the internet? The country where people make less than $12, 000 per year? You’re an ignorant liar who pulls things out of his butt.
Here’s proof that it China is not more relaxing to live in – http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-stressed-out-countries
This article/post has no credibility.
You must be kidding me. The country with the most developed economy in Europe is Hungary. We have the greatest geography in the area, the most brilliant politicians, we are connected to the strongest masonry lodge via George Soros and even prince Charles loves us. We are supreme in the way we behave and due to our historical connection with our neighbouring country Romania, we have the best girls in the world. You might say that you didn’t know that but stupidity is a very common disease nowadays. Like phenomenons, there are places you never understand because you lack information on them. Now you’ve got it, from the source. Be all blessed.
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I’m sorry, you lost me at “Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.” I’ve lived there for four months. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and I wish you wouldn’t post blatant lies.
I agree with “been to China”, especially since this poster has spent time there and appear to have paid attention. Also, you erred in showing a row of armed soldiers in your picture depicting China. That’s not the impression one would want to give to show that it’s “less stressful”.
The BIG ERROR: Socialism. What it really is. Socialism IS NOT a set of state run or provided services, no matter how extensive. Socialism is a system whereby NO OWNERSHIP of private property exists. The state owns all property. Period. Don’t trust me. Look it up. This is the economic definition of the system. This crap was all “made” up by intellectuals such as the author of this tripe. “Nature” provides a system of economics, too. . . .it’s called free market economics. It EVOLVED, and was not created by Ivy League idiots. This system was first adequately described by Adam Smith. You probably have not read his “The Wealth of Nations”. You should. It describes how the well-being of all is served by a series of remarkable, and NATURAL systems.
Capitalism isn’t the perfect system you make it out to be. Also, ‘socialistic’ (communist!) systems often allow ‘personal property’, ie toothbrushes, hobby collections, photographs, and things of sentimental value. What it’s supposed to stop is people hoarding things they dont need, and not letting others use them.
But it IS nearly perfect. Those who actually work and do their job, prosper. The lazy filth, who like to feed upon other’s success, are eliminated. “The strong survive” as the saying goes. It’s basically just like natural selection. But you aren’t criticizing THAT now are you?
Free market ideals did come from intellectuals, including Adam Smith.
It only exists within a set of laws that we decide, hence it is not actually free. Since the system is artificial (like any we come up with), we are free to tweak it as we like.
Things like consumer protection are not free market, but we regulate so that we have recourse if products poison us etc.
It’s no more natural than any other system we come up with.
Um, yeah, I think you missed a few countries – how about North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. You picked the nations that told the pro-socialist story that you wanted people to hear, but the reality is that most of those nations have vast natural resources with small populations that allow the higher standards of living, not the socialism.
Most of those are more autocratic than anyone else though. And some socialism is needed for decent conditions for the masses. Finally, many socialist European countries don’t have plenty of natural recources, but still have good living conditions. Capitalism IS necceseary for development, because nothing motivates people more than greed. But this needs to be in balance with ‘leftist’ policies
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Okay, Let me rephrase as you’re partially correct. Most countries now have a blend of various systems. So how about countries than lean towards, and primarily have, socialism/socialist structure. Here you go. http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-soci…
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Canada is a democratic country with social policies/services versus a country with a socialist government. Health is not free, neither is welfare nor unemployment. The cost is very high taxes to pay for social programs such as health, welfare, and unemployment.
Canada is not a socialist, country. Like Sweden etc, it is a democracy, with democratic-socialist programs. It’s a free market economy just like the U.S. but rates HIGHER in economic freedom than the U.S.
This article has many faults, starting with China. Someone is confusing communism and socialism, AND democratic-socialism.
Thank you, Nat. Glad I’m not the only soul who knows the difference between Socialism and Social Democracy.
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China and North Korea are good examples of what most Americans define Socialism as- purely Marxist. All the other examples in this blog are SOCIAL-DEMOCRACIES which are VERY DIFFERENT and I really wish people would stop mis-categorizing Social Deocracy as Socialism. It is WRONG!
It is entertaining to see how many retards talk shit about socialist countries, because they have been brainwashed by Nazi America. And before you hate on me for saying that, you should look up what National Socialism is. You will find it that Hitler’s ideology was based off of america’s “Freedom”. I am danish. You say we do not have an army? Fair enough, considering how we have 2. You hate on us for our taxes? Well, at least they pay for our hospital bills, while your free america let people die on the street because cash means more than human lives to america. You hate on us for being better than you, just face it you sad idiots. Socialism allows us to have a good life, and not have 80% chance of ending up as a lowlife, with education bills that will pull you down for years and years, while socialism gives us FREE education. In fact, we get paid to study. I get that you are sad and jealous, but that does not give you the right to talk shit about countries for being better than you. Stop being obama’s bitch, and open your eyes, instead of listening to your patriotic teachers that will make you look like complete idiots to everyone who has the least bit of real education. Barbarians..
Honestly, only the idiots here in America have anything bad to say about any of the countries on this list. Most of us dream of at least visiting all of the countries on this list. So while any disagreement about government has good points and bad, please understand it has nothing to do with how Americans feel about the people in these countries. Then again I am from California and the rest of the U.S.A hates us. The other thing I would like to say is that America is pretty open to anyone becoming a citizen and opening businesses. There are soooooo many businesses owned by migrants. This is a rambling reply, but it makes me sad to see how the world views us. My grandfather fought in world War 2 and loved the people of Germany, France, England etc. Just wish that everyone could get along. Honestly, as history has always shown, the world is run by the wealthy. Class warfare is the real issue. Greed trumps all. 🙁
I’m wondering why Cuba is not even on this list, which is in most ways much more socialist than China? There is actually a whole lot of capitalism in China.
OMG, what a shock!!! You actually think that China is a socialist country!!!! China is a dictatorship run by sociopaths. This is also true of North Korea. Did not ANYTHING ring a bell when you drew up the list and put this despotic regime at the top of a list of truly democratic socialist countries??? Or are you in the pay of some perfidious right wing political group in the states who deliberately spread misinformation???
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Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.
Sure.
That’s why there are 1 million or more Chinese in America, and 10 Americans in China.
Socialism always transitions to communism in large countries and will always fail due to the corruption that takes place when things don’t go as planed (Russia, China, Germany). China is transitioning back to capitalism may have no choice but to return to socialism as things get loud in that country in the coming years. Socialism works in little crap countries but they do not have the large social issues we have in this country, race issues, immigration, high wages, etc. You cannot compare Sweden or New Zealand to the U S., use the history of large countries. Our politicians compare more like those in the large countries that have failed, dishonest, cronyism, and never achieve what they promise.
When you consider that the US already has a number of socialist-based programs in place, your argument loses it’s punch. Social Security is the best example. It’s one of the most successful responses to the Great Depression. Without this, most people would have nothing to fall back on when they need it most. Without it, retirement would not be possible for a great number of Americans. It is, as a matter of fact, a stop-gap measure to protect Americans against the ravages of American capitalism.
The Hague is in Holland, not Belgium. Is the rest of the article as rigorously researched?
Something goes horrible wrong in the article, the Netherlands is mentioned but in the Denmark section, and than to make things worse you show a photo of The Hague, THE NETHERLANDS as a Belgium city? common, this is just sloppy……
The Netherlands is not a socialist country but a parlementary democracy in which different parties fight for the favour of the voter. Some parties are liberal democrat, some are socialist, some are even communist in origin, some are christian, some are muslim, some green. but all are democratic parties and therefore suggesting that we are socialist as a whole is wrong.
China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.
Fuckin’ ridiculous.
Indeed. Especially if you’re NOT a newborn female! Proof this article is just more uninformed, knee jerk, leftist garbage.
Exactly!
I stopped reading as well after the China leads a more relaxed life. Lol, the author of this is low information, probably low educated, and never been to a socialist country.
Life is China is less stressful? Forced abortions, pollution, long work hours, poverty level ‘wage’….those are all low stressful experiences aren’t they?
Can’t really compare economies when most countries have gotten used to us “ignorant Americans” providing their National security. Not to say that the citizens of those countries asked for the world police BS, however they benefit none the less. All of us in America are not stupid, awful people. Unfortunately capitalism is a system for the wealthy. Most of us hate the system. We love our country, but hate the government. So many problems and issues involved in this discussion.
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These countries, with the exception of China, aren’t really socialist, they are market economies with robust social spending and a generous and effective “social safety net.”
The social democratic aspects of government policy in these countries is not necessarily a drag on business and prosperity; a healthy workforce that doesn’t need to fear the financial burden of illness, loss of housing or the threat of unemployment is actually a more reliable work force that can afford to pursue higher education or the challenge and risks of starting a business.
These countries (not China) also are highly ranked on economic freedom. Denmark, notably, ranks above the USA in this regard. These kinds of facts blow the minds of Republican types with an overexercised disdain for “socialism,” consequently, good public policy is often off the table for consideration in the US.
There is o socialist nations now and there was no socialist nations during the cold war including the USSR.
As soon as the author said the people in China live less stressful and more relaxed lives, I should have stopped reading. Take away the people’s freedoms is not living a less stressful or relaxed life. Pathetic.
Amen!
As soon as I read that, I knew the author was living in a fantasy land where commonsense and rational thinking couldn’t possibly exist.
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Freedom of speech does not exist in China.
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How do liberals never actually know what Socialism is? Socialism is, and only is, worker control of the means of production, either by State representation of the workers in Marxism-Leninism (or a subset of it, such as Marxism-Leninism-Maoism), as in the USSR, Maoist China, or Cuba, or through direct ownership, such as in Revolutionary Ukraine or Revolutionary Catalonia.
A country with private means of production, such as the USA, modern China, Sweden, India, Denmark, or New Zealand is Capitalist. If one of these countries spends a significant amount of it’s budget on social programs, such as free healthcare, education, or a basic income, it’s still not socialist. Those are also not socialist countries, nor are those socialist programs. Those are social programs, within a Social Democracy. The reason people think free healthcare is socialist is government propaganda, as terms like Social Democracy have existed for over a hundred years, and the terms didn’t start getting confused until the Second Red Scare.
Also, “Democratic Socialism”, as used by Bernie Sanders, is also Social Democracy. Real Democratic Socialism is a completely different ideology, longstanding with many actual socialist adherents who want worker ownership of the means of production. If you don’t believe me, google any of the terms, and all credible sources will support me.
Why are most of the commenting American’s conservative? Eugh, now that’s just giving all of us a bad reputation. :/
Why is socialism so disliked in America?
Capitalism is where 90% of the wealth is owned and controlled by less than 10% of the population. Capitalism is where one man flies about in a private jet whilst others starve to death. That is not just unfair it is immoral. I call it evil. McCarthy an…
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This might be one of the stupidest and most research-lacking articles that I’ve ever read. Like seriously, whoever wrote this needs to do some serious research, unless this article is actually a joke; if that is the case, then good one! You certainly got me! Otherwise, please actually investigate what you’re saying before spewing a bunch of uneducated (and for the most part, completely untrue) propaganda on the Internet. So for starters:
China has a less stressful and more comfortable life than America? Okay, I didn’t realize that living in a country where over 1/6th of the entire world’s population lives in massive cities that have the worst air quality on earth causing people to have to wear breathing masks for their own safety is considered comfortable? And by the way, the picture that you listed of China certainly looks “less stressful” than the ordinary life of an American (sarcasm). Not to mention population limits imposed on families and, as you even mentioned, non-existent income due to the government controlling everyone’s assets. I really do not know where in the hell you came up with that garbage, but that statement ranks right up there with “the earth is flat” and “the sun orbits the earth.”
Finland has a 100 percent literacy rate? Okay, well at least this statement is much more realistic than your statement about China. But stop and think for a second… perfect 100 percent? Do you realize that that means literally every single person in their country would have to be able to read and write? I didn’t realize that newborn babies can read and write, or if you want to exclude them from the study, then consider people who were born with or acquired a handicap that has prevented them from being able to read/write… Are you telling me that Finland has absolutely no people with that? Look man, I’m not denying that Finland is one of the best countries in the world for their literacy rate (in fact I think that they may even be the number one country), but to say that literally everyone in their country can read and write is completely unrealistic, and again, lacking actual research.
Lastly, your article contradicts itself at different points. You mention New Zealand as being “one of the most socialistic nations in the world” but then later say that they are actually a capitalist nation – so which are we to believe? Well, New Zealand happens to be a very capitalistic country, and as a result it has one of the best economies in the world (yes, that’s a CAPITALIST nation that’s thriving!). I’m sorry but the United States has social security, welfare, education, etc. as well, and as you were so quick to mention, the United States is NOT socialist. The mere existence of these things does not make a country socialist, or else you wouldn’t have any reason to have posted this garbage.
Yes socialism has its benefits; however, they are very minor when compared to the benefits of a free market economy. Capitalism has driven this country and several others to become a powerful and highly productive nation. Socialism can’t boast a record like that – because it destroys economies and therefore nations. Don’t believe me? Pick up a history book. Don’t like reading? Then just ask some of the nations that have virtually no capitalism in their society how well they’re doing, such as Venezuela and Zimbabwe and North Korea.
Don’t take capitalism for granted; whether you like it or not, it really is the backbone of our freedom and well being.
What a bunch of nonsense by people trying to promote socialism. Over and above that Socialism is created by the Jews to benefit the Jews in the person of Karel Marx, look at the examples given of socialistic countries. China is growing more and more capitalistic. Why? because no socialistic structure can survive. The fact that government owns the business are not the criteria. Socialism subscribes that al wealth is owned commonly and equally. No such state exist. Even in Russia some people received more tokens then other for work performed, which makes it capitalistic. Yes there is disparities in Capitalism, but fruits om my toil are not equal to yours. That is life. The note above that capitalism is immoral for one flies in a private jet whilst others starve to death is irrelevant. Even if that jet is sold and the money spend on food for the starvers, in a short while they will be back on the starvation list. People die, and there is no obligation on me or any other capitalist to maintain the health or life of another person starving for whatever reason. That is the facts, and socialism cannot provide that support. Countries with big welfare institutions does not make them socialistic. They are capitalistic with big welfare. There is no thriving socialistic country which is pure socialistic. None! They all rely on capitalism. There is no pure socialistic state where everybody earns the same and possesses everything equally – because socialism is a lie . Socialism is evil, as it goes against the biblical instruction to work and to labour in sweat for ones own fruit.
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It literally took my a couple of minutes to stop laughing when I read that “Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.” Chinese people are the most over-worked, over-stressed, suicidal people in the world. I don’t understand why anyone would even consider living in an authoritarian state over a free society if they have the choice.
Be what it may, all systems of government are subject to corruption. The American system is supposed to have checks and balances to keep the power in the people’s hands. The cost of true freedom is extremly high ..and never completly paid in full. The Marxists have been running the educational system for many decades as evidenced of our childrens willingness to follow Bernie Sanders like they do. HOW SAD. WE HAVE FAILED OUR CHILDREN.
They don’t understand that this is exactly what America ran away from. People think Capitalism is unfair. The corruption exists when our laws – that already exist, are not being enforced properly. Hence, our Government has fallen into an Oligarchy…both parties have the appearance of being seperate, but they are not. And they rely on the ignorance of the population, which they try to perpetuate in order to gain full control.
Well, I am here to tell you: You can all banter about the semantics all day long. BUT their is no replacement for good Ol’ American Freedom…If you think it is unfair; you are free to leave. Just because you were born here, does not exclude your ignorance from turning you into a domestic threat. You need to get smart real fast, or prepare to fight. For you see, their is no place left in the entire universe for freedom to go. maybe you all can make a go of it in Antartica. We should have it thawed enough soon. But woe to those who wake the silent majority and take us from our daily lives to deal with your attempt to take what we have away from us. Try improving Norway’s government if you feel you need to tinker. To Me; Socialism is just half-assed Communism. and they might as well be the same, cause it ain’t happening here brother. You will need to fight. Are you really ready for that? There is not 1 right I will give up to your ignorant comprehension of fairness. Their is a difference between being just a citizen and a True American. One understands the obligaton, and the other wants to turn the clock back 300 years. Yes, we are trained baby killers, with only our conscious as our guide. So be careful where you tread. And if you find this offense; take it as an internal que to brush up on your Dutch.
Opps, should add: Dutch, or in my case Flemmish…the language that my Grandmother refused to teach me when I asked. She said;”We are Americans now…we speak American.”
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